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#5190308 Nov 07, 2011 at 04:10 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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I'll put words here once I type it up outside of this message box.

Thread will be about potentially moving the guild, and thoughts/opinions concerning the condition of SR.


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If you've been playing on SR for any sizable amount of time, you know we're no strangers to an imbalanced population swaying heavily in favor of the Alliance. Until recently, we've made due with what has been available to us handily, utilizing other guilds and sometimes trade to fill when we were shorthanded for guild activities, be it anything from raiding to pvp. However, it's become quite a bit more dire, even to the point where if my raid group is missing a DPS, we just call the raid; there's simply nowhere to draw raiders from. I'll log into Orgrimmar during the evening, and see all of 10 people scattered throughout the Valley of Strength, clad in blues and afk on their bronze drakes.

So here we are, before what I'm assuming is the last major content patch. A little earlier than in the past, but it seems it's time for those left in H&A to face their perennial crisis. This time around, we've been graced with a twist; it's not motivated by huge amounts of drama, nor is it limited to H&A. Nope, now we're faced with a server problem, one that's been progressively getting worse ever since we lost a huge chunk of our progression raiding guilds 5 or so years back. I'm sure we all know by this point that we've lost not only Ascendance, but also a raid group filled with people that've stood by the server and H&A for as long as I've been around. We've also lost "lesser" guilds of more casual players that have simply gotten fed up, such as <Sulfurons Bane>, as well as bunches of people simply leaving by themselves in search of a more fulfilling game experience.

The WoW-affiliated me from as close as 2 months ago would have thought I was absolutely insane for this, but I believe its time to start considering our options here. Personally, I love Stormrage. Even though it's hemorrhaging Horde, and even though people keep migrating here in droves to the Alliance, it's been my home for a long while. All of the relationships I've formed through my time in WoW, all the content I've tipped over with all of the guilds I've been apart of, good times and bad...it's been on Stormrage. I've got a full character list here, and they're all Horde. However, it's not just about me, as I've got H&A to worry about. Even though we're not exactly the cohesive unit we were in the past, this is still the place in WoW I ultimately care about the most, and I want to offer the best experience to those that have remained.

In a TL;DR summation of the point I was trying to get across, here's the nitty gritty: It's time to talk about the reality of how Stormrage may not be providing the best gaming experience any longer, and of the prospect of transferring elsewhere. Let's hear your honest opinions and discuss it here, as I can't try my best to make people happy unless I know what it is you all want. Keep it civil and constructive, this is for everybody's sake.

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#5194192 Nov 08, 2011 at 12:07 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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/first

You hit the nail on the head. Stormrage is dead for the horde. Ascendance and MiMs leaving is a symptom of that, not the cause (though some ego-crazed, drug-fueled, loud mouthed asshats might say different, but we're not here to discuss how Rabidity is terrible at kitty). If you want to raid progressively, it's time to go - it's that simple.

It should be noted, and firmly planted in everyone's mind as absolute, that HnA is NOT dead. This guild will exist forever, i'm sure of it. However, we have not, nor have we *ever* been a bleeding edge raiding guild. That's not our charter, nor do i believe it was ever anything more than a handful of people wanted. We wanted progression, true, but the primary purpose was seeing new content and having fuckloads of fun. In fact I think that'd make a good vision statement! The point though is that if that was our vision statement, I don't think anyone can argue that it will eventually fail to even be possible on SR.

That being said, I also have the (likely unpopular) opinion that for all intents and purposes, The SS *is* HnA now that MiMs has abandoned the guild left the server, so whatever is going to support them the most is what should happen. I respect ToD and what they've accomplished with the hit-and-miss resources they have, but frankly speaking you give everything to the A Team and whatever is leftover can go to the B Team. Granted, this doesn't preclude ToD coming to whatever new server HnA would call home, but I honestly don't believe that this guild can afford to let itself get held up because a group still in its infancy doesn't want to lose Mass Res or experience bonuses for its alts. There are other homes on SR that could give these bene's to people if they choose not to move with us, and anyone moving will *need* those benefits to establish the guild on its new home. Sorry if that comes off as insensitive, but there it is.

So, to sum up my talking points:

- HnA is NOT dead
- Stormrage IS dead
- We should move
- If The SS wants to move, the guild should move with it regardless of what anyone else wants.
- Rabidity is bad at kitty. And boom too while we're at it.
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#5194338 Nov 08, 2011 at 12:34 PM
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#5194192 Unicron wrote:


- Rabidity is bad at kitty. And boom too while we're at it.



This.

Also, in full agreement. Let's move. We need to start evaluating servers.
"Do I secretly wish that I could make a raid full of 10 me's so that everyone would be pro? Yes."
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#5194379 Nov 08, 2011 at 12:45 PM
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Whatever you say Jabica.
















But from voyeur of these forums now, I can say the move is probably the best idea. That is all.
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#5194477 Nov 08, 2011 at 01:04 PM
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#5194379 Oomkinn wrote:

Whatever you say Jabica.

It crushed me too to admit that jabica was maybe right. :)
"If you want to be the best you can be at wow you will need to mouse turn and keybind, end of story." - Lore
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#5194491 Nov 08, 2011 at 01:06 PM
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#5194477 feral wrote:

#5194379 Oomkinn wrote:

Whatever you say Jabica.

It crushed me too to admit that jabica was maybe right. :)


Doesn't matter - got rid of him.
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#5194538 Nov 08, 2011 at 01:15 PM
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To survive as a "raiding" guild, I fully believe that we need to move. SR horde is rather terrible, like you said in blues sitting on that bronze drake.

On a side note, I am horrible at cat and owl. Can't wait for those 1 tank fights come 4.3!
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#5194587 Nov 08, 2011 at 01:27 PM
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Jabica being right about not withstanding, the guild needed to reformat itself. It was evident that we were evolving into something other than a 25 man raiding guild and it was helped by Blizzard making it even more easy to do so.

There is really nothing left on SR for horde at all. Whatever server you guys decide to go to I wish you luck there!
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#5194627 Nov 08, 2011 at 01:38 PM
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I've lived on SR horde for almost 7 years. Seriously. Thats fuckin weird man. Anyways, even though MiMS disappeared because of two or three whiny cunts the horde side being dead for 5 years, i havent transferred due to lack of funds, and due to the fact that im basically only welcome in ascendance Whiny french canadian faggot guild Neolutum as a social member until they start 25 mans (I have no interest in) or one of their ten mans has a space for me (Which is probably only going to happen on their B squad ((even though their Bsquad isnt terrible))) doesnt seem like an option i can willingly spend 50$ on, were i to even have that gold to spare.

I loved mims. I dont really even like this game all that much anymore, let alone whats coming with the next expansion. I don't know if i even have a spot on a team that isnt B squad with HNA anymore. I'd just rather not lose the tag. cos im a sentimental oldfag but whatevs.






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#5194631 Nov 08, 2011 at 01:39 PM
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2nd star to the right, straight on till morning.
Azriel, et al...
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#5194699 Nov 08, 2011 at 01:53 PM
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My honest opinion now that I've gone through with the process and had time to reflect a bit?

Talk to Circle of Blame They have to be feeling this too and if the two guilds can agree on a destination it will be better for everyone. Probably the nicest thing for me when I arrived on the new server was immediately having other people to talk to who I knew ... made it less painful of a transition. So I know the SS has some ties with CoB, so talk to them and make the case that BOTH guilds need to go ... and then agree to a place and just go. Pick a faction/server that's alive ... doesn't need to be bleeding edge or anything but alive and strong is well enough ... and just do it.
"If you want to be the best you can be at wow you will need to mouse turn and keybind, end of story." - Lore
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#5194816 Nov 08, 2011 at 02:16 PM
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It's been decided, we're moving to Illidan, Alliance.
Close second was Mal'Ganis alliance.

Thanks everyone for voting.
"Do I secretly wish that I could make a raid full of 10 me's so that everyone would be pro? Yes."
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#5194825 Nov 08, 2011 at 02:18 PM
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#5194816 xliv wrote:

It's been decided, we're moving to Illidan, Alliance.
Close second was Mal'Ganis alliance.

Thanks everyone for voting.

lol. Might be fun being, you know, the ONLY guild on your faction with a purple for the first 4 months of MoP. =)
"If you want to be the best you can be at wow you will need to mouse turn and keybind, end of story." - Lore
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#5195194 Nov 08, 2011 at 03:36 PM
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#5194699 feral wrote:

My honest opinion now that I've gone through with the process and had time to reflect a bit?

Talk to Circle of Blame They have to be feeling this too and if the two guilds can agree on a destination it will be better for everyone. Probably the nicest thing for me when I arrived on the new server was immediately having other people to talk to who I knew ... made it less painful of a transition. So I know the SS has some ties with CoB, so talk to them and make the case that BOTH guilds need to go ... and then agree to a place and just go. Pick a faction/server that's alive ... doesn't need to be bleeding edge or anything but alive and strong is well enough ... and just do it.



Man, I'd love to bring CoB along for the ride if it comes down to that. Only thing is, those I'm close to in CoB (their prime 10m group for the most part) have stated there's no plans to move their group at this time. I'll bring the point up again though, for sure.
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#5195509 Nov 08, 2011 at 04:55 PM
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[quote_post5194192 user=325279]

It should be noted, and firmly planted in everyone's mind as absolute, that HnA is NOT dead. We wanted progression, true, but the primary purpose was seeing new content and having fuckloads of fun.............................

I respect ToD and what they've accomplished with the hit-and-miss resources they have, but frankly speaking you give everything to the A Team and whatever is leftover can go to the B Team. quote_post5194192]

I love how it went from HnA isn't to dead almost immediately to SS or GTFO. That's awesome. But thanks for the offer to actually let me talk about it with the members before you shat us out. I appreciate that. To hell if we're not having fuckloads of fun not doing heroics, we're not HnA. Ah well, we really don't need mass rez to begin with. That's not why I restarted ToD in HnA in the first place. For some reason, I thought consolidating decent and ready raiders to raid under our banner to give us more people playing that could be gotten a hold of was a GOOD thing for us. Stupid me. Sorry B Team, we're out.

But if it makes you feel any better, we never had any intention of holding anyone, or even the guild tag itself to Stormrage. I'm not sure where you got the assumption that we would to begin with.

Anyway, the Turalyon is balanced and seems decent. Proudmoore and Whisperwind (I think that's it) are Stormrage Alliance, except you get to be Orcs instead of NE's. If you think going there, you might as well just reroll here. It's essentially the same thing, for all of you who want a PvE server. I'll look more into the PvP servers this weekend. From what I'm noticing so far, the more unbalanced the A:H ratio is, the more douchebaggish the larger faction becomes. I'd aim for .75:1 or better ratio personally.
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#5196448 Nov 08, 2011 at 08:52 PM
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Destromath pvp or gtfo Medieve. Was and probably is one of the best pvp horde servers. It could be diffrent but I wanna doubt it.
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#5197609 Nov 09, 2011 at 04:22 AM
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Thanks Agnew for letting me hang around in the guild without a real raiding group.
I wish HnA the best, it was a good raiding guild and I hope you guys go on for another 5+ years.
I transferred to the Alliance side, kind of drunk right now, but I hope it will work out.
-moolB
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#5198036 Nov 09, 2011 at 07:20 AM
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#5196448 Oomkinn wrote:

Destromath pvp or gtfo Medieve. Was and probably is one of the best pvp horde servers. It could be diffrent but I wanna doubt it.



I'll check it out this weekend.
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#5201451 Nov 09, 2011 at 08:58 PM
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#5197609 moolb wrote:

Thanks Agnew for letting me hang around in the guild without a real raiding group.
I wish HnA the best, it was a good raiding guild and I hope you guys go on for another 5+ years.
I transferred to the Alliance side, kind of drunk right now, but I hope it will work out.
-moolB



man, that sucks. I was really hoping to see you on Turalyon at some point. HnA has always been home to some good rogues but playing with you was a good time and you are without a doubt pro. Best of luck Moolb, and make an alt on Turalyon for shits and giggles.

- Mal
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#5201603 Nov 09, 2011 at 09:58 PM
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I also took the time to read the rest of the posts. Some of you guys are hilarious. I sense some butt hurt going on for the people left behind. MiMs didn't leave the server to set the record straight: Saado, Myself and Krug left the server screwing over MiMs at which point some people from MiMs followed suit to do whatever it is they plan on doing on Turalyon (not raiding with me). MiMs had been dead for a while. Medieve is right - the democracy thing sucked and was not working. Too many people whining over bullshit and no one putting all those personalities in their places.

But there is a positive thing to come out of all of this. I never have to see or speak to any of you again and you never have to see or speak to me ever again. After years of being stuck on this god forsaken server thanks to knowing people in the guild irl I'm gone! YAY! But seriously, I do agree that those of you that wish to continue to enjoy the game and like doing things other than log on only on raid night and then afk every chance you get (yes that's a dig at you UG), or just log on to get wasted then try and take over as group leader because you just started leading a group of fail useless players and alts that couldn't raid their way out of a paper bag (dig at you medieve), or are always online and make it your sole life of WoW goal to hate Krug and Eysis for no reason what so ever then being a whiny bitch (dig at you Uni) then yes, transfer HnA off the shit server and have a good life. One request: please do not transfer to Turalyon... pick a different server for fucks sake. SS is good shit though, many talented players and yes they ARE HnA now. You guys have a good thing going, 10 solid players that are always on - pick a good pvp server and gtfo this sinking ship.

I need a beer.

- Mal
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